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#21 Spiked

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 05:33 PM

You guys do realize 'windows on devices' was the old marching orders? The new orders are different (although confusion seems to be a recurring theme at MS) ....  layoffs are coming this week - it will be interesting to see where and how deep.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:35 PM

Spiked -- in any case, lots is going on in Redmond :) I'm excited that NETMF is playing such a huge rule in Microsoft's connected devices strategy. NETMF was basically born for the IoT.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:15 PM

Which makes it even more confusing as to why its not here, front and center, but I think that was already mentioned. All I know is the new boss is saying 'we aren't doing what we were doing, but I can't quite tell you what we are doing now'  - I live here, I get the inside noise a lot.  Maybe it will become clearer in a few days.

 

And of course if it isn't happening here (I assume MF is not, having not met a single person yet that works on it) it takes a while to trickle down anyhow.

 

heh, re: born for IoT, you can fool these youngins, but be careful with us old iron types. We know what it was and why :)



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:02 AM

Oh man, the web site redirects now.  The suspense is killing me.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:26 PM

That is correct, a few weeks ago there was a comment that the site would be integrated into the MSDN location. 


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:39 PM

The internet is full of comments, I miss some.

 

One email I got said they would send me a device soon.  Another comment says all devices have been sent. No one here has indicated they received devices.  I saw nothing in (limited) reading for non-disclosure about not saying you have one. Maybe I missed that as well.

 

The more I look at it I'm not really sure what I would use this for.  Does anyone understand why a device would boot windows then provide an exact emulation of an arduino (using wiring as the language and NO ui?).  I've got to assume something different is in the pipeline, and this is just a stepping stone. Either that or MS truly has lost its marbles. So at this point, I trust Chris's idea that great things are happening with MF, at least that WAS the intention.  Today the knife falls and we will see where and on who.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 01:09 PM

 

Does anyone understand why a device would boot windows then provide an exact emulation of an arduino (using wiring as the language and NO ui?).

 

Provide an emulation for a heretofore foreign experience on Windows? Yes. Microsoft has done this before (much to the chagrin of some of its developer community). Recall that Microsoft unleashed JavaScript - a foreign language - into WinRT development with the sole ambition of luring a broader cross-section of developers into their fold. Microsoft must think there is enormous money in the IoT, and it appears they want to cast their net as wide as possible.

 

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:42 PM

Has anyone received their kit yet?



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 05:11 AM

The internet is full of comments, I miss some.

 

One email I got said they would send me a device soon.  Another comment says all devices have been sent. No one here has indicated they received devices.  I saw nothing in (limited) reading for non-disclosure about not saying you have one. Maybe I missed that as well.

 

The more I look at it I'm not really sure what I would use this for.  Does anyone understand why a device would boot windows then provide an exact emulation of an arduino (using wiring as the language and NO ui?).  I've got to assume something different is in the pipeline, and this is just a stepping stone. Either that or MS truly has lost its marbles. So at this point, I trust Chris's idea that great things are happening with MF, at least that WAS the intention.  Today the knife falls and we will see where and on who.

 

Hello!

Have you gotten yours yet? I'm still waiting. the now changed site seems reasonably helpful, but I'm not sure how to contact them to find out where I am on their lists. 

 

In fact I suspect I might end up buying a device first, and probably from my usual vendor.....



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 05:39 AM

I have not received one, although I did eventually get an email suggesting I would.  I followed their IRC chat for a few days and it was very quiet.

 

Ms was also supposedly at nearby at a coffee shop (in Seattle) with boards, but when I attempted to drive there, I could not find parking (and I am handicapped) so I came back home.

 

I believe the intention is to provide firmware that will allow non ms-versions to run the MS dev kits. But that will be sometime AFTER initial release of MS dev kit versions.



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:10 PM

As seen on Arstechnica today: Windows on a Raspberry PI like device (but it's damn expensive) 

 

http://arstechnica.c...tintel-project/



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:16 AM

I have not received one, although I did eventually get an email suggesting I would.  I followed their IRC chat for a few days and it was very quiet.

 

Ms was also supposedly at nearby at a coffee shop (in Seattle) with boards, but when I attempted to drive there, I could not find parking (and I am handicapped) so I came back home.

 

I believe the intention is to provide firmware that will allow non ms-versions to run the MS dev kits. But that will be sometime AFTER initial release of MS dev kit versions.

 

 

Hello!

I see your point. I wonder if the people who parked in those spots realize its extremely illegal to park in them? Sorry just making a bad comment.

 

I didn't know that about you. But thank you for posting it.

 

Chris this still doesn't explain why there are three people outside your offices. One looks like he's badly dressed, and one looks like a Highlander and is confused, and the other young lady has other problems.....



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 06:00 AM

I did not intend to imply people were parked in handicap spots, just the opposite. Seattle is a very handicap unfriendly city. Most of the people are (on average) young wealthy health nuts so not much attention is given to/for handicap. Thus there is NO handicap designated parking. 

 

The more I think about it, the more I think I probably would not be a good candidate for one of these boards anyhow. I don't get it. I have yet to understand ANY reason for it to exist, and especially no reason to take attention away from other existing platforms. It really looks like another Ms throw money at the wall, and see if anything sticks, and I can tell you the outcome.

 

The chat today on IRC was that indeed Ms is 'selecting' who they will be sending kits to, based on intent.



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:49 AM

I did not intend to imply people were parked in handicap spots, just the opposite. Seattle is a very handicap unfriendly city. Most of the people are (on average) young wealthy health nuts so not much attention is given to/for handicap. Thus there is NO handicap designated parking. 

 

The more I think about it, the more I think I probably would not be a good candidate for one of these boards anyhow. I don't get it. I have yet to understand ANY reason for it to exist, and especially no reason to take attention away from other existing platforms. It really looks like another Ms throw money at the wall, and see if anything sticks, and I can tell you the outcome.

 

The chat today on IRC was that indeed Ms is 'selecting' who they will be sending kits to, based on intent.

 

Within the "unfriendly" context, I wonder whether it's better not having parking, facilities and else, or having them most of time filled by non-handicapped people exposing a false mark on their car.

 

About Galileo...well, he had reason to exist because made several important studies about the sky.

Oh...you meant...the board?

Aw...oh!...don't know yet...

 

I'd yield a bit of faith to MS. Better, to some people "believing" in a concrete direction...

 

 

Let's wait and see...

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 01:41 PM

 

I'd yield a bit of faith to MS. Better, to some people "believing" in a concrete direction...

 

 

Seriously? With their track record over the last 5 years? Windows 8 (which I understand was tough nut to crack, but they didn't do so well), Windows phone (oh the stories I could tell you from that dev department), CEOs, firings (leaving the root problems in place)?  

 

You have faith?  You are a kind man :)  I am a Ms fanboy for life, but it is mostly because I'm too old to learn anything new :)



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 02:17 PM

Good news is coming.....



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:49 PM

Good news is coming.....

 

  1. ... "soon"
  2. ... "likely in the next few weeks"
  3. ... "in the coming weeks and months"
  4. ... "in the future"

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#38 Juzzer

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:56 PM

Depends on who you talk to or where you work  :ph34r:



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Posted 08 August 2014 - 12:03 PM

There's a podcast on .NET Rocks with Dan Rosenstein which covers Internet of Things and the Windows on devices.

 

Netduino gets a mention to.

 

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 12:46 PM

Maybe i'm not the target market and yes it is new out of the box but first impressions last...

 

So far i am not impressed with the Galileo and will be sticking with NETMF until at least the Galileo supports C#...






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