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#1 Pete Brown

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:55 AM

Anyone want to take a wild guess as to what it may be? Hint: if you know my interests, the answer will be obvious :) Sending out for some PCBs soon (after I give this a once-over) so I can build one up and see if it actually works. I have two weeks worth of events coming up, so sending this out now will mean I have something fun to do when I get back. Attached File  pcb_routing_complete.jpg   239.25KB   87 downloads Pete
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:36 AM

At first glance I'd guess for a MIDI-module, but it looks far from it. No opto-couplers, no DIN female-connectors, so I'd discard it. The DB9's pinout looks also strange...No: I'm out of ideas. Any reward for who's guessing? Cheers
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:32 AM

Hm, I guess a synthesizer or a function generator. Could be also a motor/servo controller, but there is no power stage.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:39 AM

Arcade joystick adapter?

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:47 AM

Arcade joystick adapter?

Knowing Pete's interests I'd go with you - Commodore 64 joystick adapter.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:58 AM

Commodore 64 joystick adapter.

Oh, so obvious now.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:24 AM

didn't atari 2600 also have db9?, how do one get sticks for c64 or atari today?

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:41 PM

You guys got it: Commodore/Atari joystick and paddle adapter.:)

The five digital inputs are for the button and four directions.The analog inputs are for the two paddles each port can use.

This is one place where GoBus really shines: 10 digital and 4 analog inputs on a single module, plus 5v and 3.3v power. Some of the more advanced joysticks included 555 times for rapid fire, so it needs +5v. The voltage was also used by the paddles (which are just pots). That's why the voltage divider, because we have to keep things 3.3v on gobus.

You can find Atari style joysticks both used and new. New ones are still being manufactured and sold on eBay.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:01 PM

Pete, what are you doing :( I know for sure my wife won't like I need to use my credit card again... :rolleyes: I got some controllers for my Commodore 64 here, can't wait to connect them to something else for once. Ps. Pete, have you tested it in combination with USB HID support? Now that would be awesome!
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:20 PM

Pete, what are you doing :(
I know for sure my wife won't like I need to use my credit card again... :rolleyes:
I got some controllers for my Commodore 64 here, can't wait to connect them to something else for once.

Ps. Pete, have you tested it in combination with USB HID support? Now that would be awesome!


I am often blamed for people having to apologize to their spouses over electronics purchases ;)

USB HID support: I haven't tried that yet, but could be interesting. Good idea. One nice thing about the modular approach is you build something cool like this, and everyone else takes it in new directions. I love it.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 09:53 PM

Am I right in thinking sega master system and mega drive/ genesis joypads are compatible? Nak.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:01 PM

Am I right in thinking sega master system and mega drive/ genesis joypads are compatible?

Nak.



Looking at the specs, it doesn't appear so. Pins 1 through 4, 6 and 8 are the same, but pin 5 on commodore/atari is a potentiometer input, pin 5 on the sega is power. Pin 9 on the C64/Atari is the second potentiometer, but pin 9 on the sega is button.

I could work around all of those in the driver except for pin5 being power on the Sega.

http://old.pinouts.r...00_pinout.shtml
http://pinouts.ru/Ga...er_pinout.shtml

http://pinouts.ru/Ga...oy_pinout.shtml

Given that the board would use many of the same parts, if there's market for it, I could create a Sega-compatible version after the Atari ones.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:23 PM

I see new knockoff Genesis compatible controllers are available for dirt cheap. I'm picking up a pair on ebay to evaluate.

http://www.ebay.com/...=item27c7d5bbc1


FWIW, I had also looked at Nintendo, but their connectors are proprietary and expensive.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:54 AM

FWIW, I had also looked at Nintendo, but their connectors are proprietary and expensive.


these?
http://gadgetgangste...?projectnum=307

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:00 AM

these?
http://gadgetgangste...?projectnum=307


Yeah. Those and also the longer narrow ones (may have been ps/2, or later nintendo). $4 per connector with a single supplier is insane. In constrast, those male d-sub connectors ran me $0.19 each at quantity 300, and they're available anywhere.

That said, a lot more people identify with nintendo vs. Atari. Maybe as a boutique module - the driver would be more work too, as it's a shift register serial protocol rather than simple switches.

Actually, I forgot that Parallax is the one who reintroduced those sockets. Still somewhat expensive and single supplier, but half the price that site had. I think I just convinced myself.

http://www.parallax..../4/Default.aspx

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:03 AM

Pete, what are you doing :(
I know for sure my wife won't like I need to use my credit card again... :rolleyes:
I got some controllers for my Commodore 64 here, can't wait to connect them to something else for once.

Ps. Pete, have you tested it in combination with USB HID support? Now that would be awesome!


Stefan, I remember back in the '80 that there was a dreaming bike branded ... (can't place ads). The Italian factory got mostly Japanese bikes, and re-tune them for adding an hundred of HP more. The price was absolutely of out of the human reason: twice or three times the base bike, but it was simply amazing.
Well, among the "real" bikers, who were dreaming for such a bike, there were a story about the wives/fianceès got angry because their partners' passion: "Hey, stop now! Either me or your bike!"...but the guy's answer was straightforward: "The bike, of course!".
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:21 AM

That said, a lot more people identify with nintendo vs. Atari. Maybe as a boutique module - the driver would be more work too, as it's a shift register serial protocol rather than simple switches.


I think I'm too old for the nintendo, this type of stick is what I would like to have:
http://www.arcadespa...ller/12049.html

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:23 AM

Well, among the "real" bikers, who were dreaming for such a bike, there were a story about the wives/fianceès got angry because their partners' passion: "Hey, stop now! Either me or your bike!"...but the guy's answer was straightforward: "The bike, of course!".

I'm glad my wife accepts my hobbies/passions ;)

Ps. Pete, great timing! http://www.neowin.ne...d-age-of-thirty :)
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:24 PM

Sent my prototype pcb order to Seeed. Kept it on the cheap for this test run (green boards, less than $1 each in qty 10). BTW, why is importing graphics into PCB software so hard? I couldn't find a single package that would import something like an SVG (which is already vectors) or a bitmap without requiring a blood donation. The bitmap import user script in Eagle turns out to be a complete train wreck- it creates a rectangle per pixel - impossible to move, scale, rotate, anything. I finally gave up and drew the graphics in Eagle itself. I hate that package -- it's getting in my way. Oh, and forget trying to move parts of a shape to another layer. I wanted to hide all those component outlines, but unfortunately, the OSHW logo was on the same layer. You can't easily change what layer the logo is on because it's defined as part of the part. :/ Attached File  ngo_joy_module_prototype_design.jpg   496.96KB   30 downloads Pete
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 05:37 AM

I finally gave up and drew the graphics in Eagle itself. I hate that package -- it's getting in my way.

You have my vote on that one. It is the most counter-intuitive program I have every used.

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