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Number 1 reason to choose NGO over N+ ??


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#1 JerseyTechGuy

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:58 AM

So... say you have a product already designed using N+ with several sensors, buttons, LCD and SD Card and you are planning for a version #2 of the product... curious to get people's views and opinions on what would be the #1 selling point to design the next version of your product using NGO over N+. Keep in mind, the plug and play prototyping nature of NGO isn't really a consideration or a factor. Looking forward to everyone's opinion and views.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:33 AM

Hi Dave,

With a Netduino Go, Shield Base, and Ethernet and SD modules you'll effectively have a Netduino Plus with:
  • 168MHz Speed (4x)
  • 384KB Code Storage (3x)
  • 100KB+ RAM (2x+)
Once the Shield Base comes out of beta, you'll be able to expand your Netduino Go with additional shield bases (for more GPIOs, ADCs, PWMs, and SerialPorts). There will also be additional IO expansion options.

Also, please note that the Shield Base has one more serial port than Netduino Plus, 12-bit ADCs, and 2 extra PWMs.

If you're looking for one top feature, it's the ability to add additional features as desired.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:41 AM

I would say the same. As the designer, you provide the USP differential between your rev1 and rev2 devices. In your case I would say more sensors, color touchscreen display, etc. Never underestimate the eye-candy wow of a good looking touch UI...

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:06 AM

Hi Dave,

With a Netduino Go, Shield Base, and Ethernet and SD modules you'll effectively have a Netduino Plus with:

  • 168MHz Speed (4x)
  • 384KB Code Storage (3x)
  • 100KB+ RAM (2x+)
Once the Shield Base comes out of beta, you'll be able to expand your Netduino Go with additional shield bases (for more GPIOs, ADCs, PWMs, and SerialPorts). There will also be additional IO expansion options.

Also, please note that the Shield Base has one more serial port than Netduino Plus, 12-bit ADCs, and 2 extra PWMs.

If you're looking for one top feature, it's the ability to add additional features as desired.

Chris


Who is selling the SD and Ethernet Modules? Can't find them

#5 Chris Walker

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:23 AM

Hi Bendage,

Who is selling the SD and Ethernet Modules? Can't find them

We're using a brand new microcontroller on the SD and Ethernet modules, so they couldn't make it out of production in time for launch.

The Piezo Buzzer modules are in production right now...so they'll be out soon too.

Chris

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:53 AM

Boo! :(

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:05 AM

Boo! :(

Hopefully they'll be worth the short wait. :) The hardware used on the modules is really nice.

BTW if you want to use a socket breakout, you can actually use an SD card via SPI on Netduino Go today (and still use 7 other go!modules). If you need a really-short-term fix :)

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:18 AM

I would but I ordered my Go about 7 days ago and Amazon just shipped it yesterday. So I have a pretty shield base sitting on my desk with nothing to do. I actually ordered 1 of everything!

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:37 AM

I also had a dismal experience with Amazon and a Netduino GO together with a shield base. I ordered both and they were in stock. They shipped the shield separately and it got lost so I got a refund. The Netduino GO showed up yesterday, but a Netduino GO without anything to connect it to is not much use to me so I shipped the GO back today. Baxter

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:42 AM

I also had a dismal experience with Amazon and a Netduino GO together with a shield base. I ordered both and they were in stock. They shipped the shield separately and it got lost so I got a refund. The Netduino GO showed up yesterday, but a Netduino GO without anything to connect it to is not much use to me so I shipped the GO back today.

Oh noes :( Amazon is usually so good.

If you can give me your order #, I can ask Amazon to send you a free Shield Base. They should have more in stock tomorrow.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:17 AM

Hi Chris, I love Amazon and this kind of screwup is very rare. Thank you for your very generous offer, but I think I will just stick with my Netduino Plus until the dust settles a bit. The Netduino Plus is an absolutely outstanding product, but quite frankly, I cannot see where the GO fits into the scheme of things other than the improved hardware/performance issues you have cited; and of course, the beginner's delight at plug and play Led blinking. It seems to me that you are off-loading some smartness onto the modules with the GO bus concept, but this comes with the penalty of a non-uniform MF development environment across the GO and the modules attached. Baxter

#12 Chris Walker

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:22 AM

Hi Baxter,

The Netduino Plus is an absolutely outstanding product, but quite frankly, I cannot see where the GO fits into the scheme of things other than the improved hardware/performance issues you have cited; and of course, the beginner's delight at plug and play Led blinking. It seems to me that you are off-loading some smartness onto the modules with the GO bus concept, but this comes with the penalty of a non-uniform MF development environment across the GO and the modules attached.

Thank you for the feedback. I'm really glad you are enjoying your Netduino Plus.

Combined with a Shield Base, Ethernet module, and SD module, the Netduino Go effectively gives you a super-Netduino. One that can expand as needed. So as you need more IOs or SerialPorts or PWMs or ADCs in your project, you'll be able to add on additional IO expansion boards.

Of course, you can also plug in pre-built components like RGB LEDs, Piezo Buzzers, and Motor Control modules. The virtualized IO takes care of both needs at once.

And since all the IOs coming from the modules are virtualized, the code for an RGB LED module driver should be portable to become code for an RGB LED wired up to a Netduino Plus. We're very early in revealing all the plans for go!bus and Netduino Go, but hopefully you will find that Netduino Mini -> Netduino -> Netduino Plus -> Netduino Go is one continuum with code that can be reused across all the boards.

Thank you for your enthusiasm,

Chris

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:26 AM


The Netduino Plus is an absolutely outstanding product, but quite frankly, I cannot see where the GO fits into the scheme of things other than the improved hardware/performance issues you have cited; and of course, the beginner's delight at plug and play Led blinking. It seems to me that you are off-loading some smartness onto the modules with the GO bus concept, but this comes with the penalty of a non-uniform MF development environment across the GO and the modules attached.


This is exactly the reason I started this thread. To help me understand where the GO fits in. Based on the information I've gathered so far, I spend about an hour yesterday on the way to a meeting talking it all through with my Fiance in regards to our Pandora's Box project and the two other projects I am working on.

Once I know there are enough parts out there to comfortably replicate my design using a GO to replace the N+ (minus the unused Ethernet) I may use it in a design, but I'm still not sure I am comfortable with it being ready for prime time use.




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