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#1 bezee

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 07:52 PM

I'm an Ardunio user and curious about this new netduino. I am wondering about any plans to release Netduino services for Microsoft Robotics Developer Studio. My .net skills and time/patience are not sufficient to write the services myself. If the world of MSRDS were interfaced to the world of Arduino via netduino/MSRDS Services in an easy way (just install components) I would buy a netduino today.

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 08:08 PM

I'm an Ardunio user and curious about this new netduino. I am wondering about any plans to release Netduino services for Microsoft Robotics Developer Studio. My .net skills and time/patience are not sufficient to write the services myself. If the world of MSRDS were interfaced to the world of Arduino via netduino/MSRDS Services in an easy way (just install components) I would buy a netduino today.


Hi Bezee,

We seeded the fine folks at helloapps.com with some Netduino hardware. They've built a scripting engine for Microsoft Robotics Developer Studio that support .NET Micro Framework. Their support assemblies are quite large, so we're working with them to either slim down the assemblies or remove a few unused features from the Netduino (FileSystem support perhaps). In the latter case, users would reflash their Netduino and they'd have over 200KB of Flash available for their programs.

Anyway, we're hoping to see lots of activity around Netduino and Microsoft Robotics Developer Studio. Lots of cool possibilities!

Thank you very much for your interest in Netduino,

Chris

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 08:12 PM

Hi Bezee,

We seeded the fine folks at helloapps.com with some Netduino hardware. They've built a scripting engine for Microsoft Robotics Developer Studio that support .NET Micro Framework. Their support assemblies are quite large, so we're working with them to either slim down the assemblies or remove a few unused features from the Netduino (FileSystem support perhaps). In the latter case, users would reflash their Netduino and they'd have over 200KB of Flash available for their programs.

Anyway, we're hoping to see lots of activity around Netduino and Microsoft Robotics Developer Studio. Lots of cool possibilities!

Thank you very much for your interest in Netduino,

Chris



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Posted 03 August 2010 - 08:12 PM

Thank you, very interesting, VERY exciting if this works out well. There is huge potential. I will be following the netduino world.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 12:32 AM

Any updates on using the Netduino with MSRS?

#6 Mario Vernari

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 04:30 PM

As far I know, there's no convenience to fit MSRS to Netduino, since the CCR and DSS are going to be obsolete with the C# 5 leverage. That's I read somewhere not a long ago. Cheers
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Posted 20 February 2011 - 01:08 AM

As far I know, there's no convenience to fit MSRS to Netduino, since the CCR and DSS are going to be obsolete with the C# 5 leverage.
That's I read somewhere not a long ago.
Cheers


Can you clarify please. This makes no sense to me.

#8 Mario Vernari

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 01:04 PM

I'm sorry for that delay!...

CCR and DSS are two fundamental parts of the Robotics framework, that manage the threading and the communication between components.
Read better here:
http://msdn.microsof...y/bb905470.aspx
and here:
http://msdn.microsof...y/bb905471.aspx

This is not the exact article that I've read, but I think it's the same:
http://www.zdnet.com...it-for-you/6303

IMHO, it has no sense that MS will use a different approach to multitasking and communication on MSRS, than the rest of its edge production.
.Net 4 bring to us the Parallel Extensions, C# 5 will simplify the asynchronous coding, WCF is a well-known foundation for the communication. If you add the Workflow foundation, then you'll have the new version of the Robotics Studio.
Why having a different platform, instead of migrate MSRS toward an unification?
At "no cost" you will have -of sure- an integration with Azure ecosystem and stuffs like that.
Just imagine the scene: your brand-new Lego-robot recognizing you cat that is stealing the roasted turkey, so that an email will be sent to your handy phone!...Isn't amazing?...
Bah!...

I've considered for a very short time to use MSRS with Netduino, but it was almost impossible and without any convenience by trying the porting.
I *REALLY* hope that the next Micro Framework edition will enable Netduino-like devices with C# 5 and Workflows.

Cheers
Mario
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:57 AM

Most of the C# 5 features will be too big for .NET MF 4.2. But if there's something really cool that you think might fit in .NET MF, please post your enthusiasm about said feature and I'll see if we can share your enthusiasm with Microsoft for roadmap planning regarding .NET MF 5.0 :) Chris

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 10:37 AM

I'd ask myself whether .Net MF will able to survive or goes into the bin in a couple of years. I'm very excited about a small device could be programmed via C# (or any other managed language), that's because I've bought a Netduino. That was a real breaking-news on the development world, even much more as "toy" instead of a industrial component. Arduino thrown the seeds and it deserves a lot of credit, but C/C++ wasn't anything new. MS has done a lot of very good projects that are forgotten. I really want to cite one among: Kodu, by Fuse Labs...nothing to share with *this* world, but it's a long time I didn't see a so well-done software for kids. From my *honest* viewpoint, I strongly encourage to evaluate the Net MF, but I'm afraid also.
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 11:03 AM

From my *honest* viewpoint, I strongly encourage to evaluate the Net MF, but I'm afraid also.


We have a five year plan. .NET MF is celebrating its 7th year. .NET Compact Framework 3.7 also doesn't get a lot of the new desktop-style features, but it has a long life ahead of it too.

I wouldn't worry too much...remember, .NET Micro Framework is Apache 2.0 open source--so the only reason it would die is if its users abandoned it. In the last seven months, its adoption has really picked up.

Chris

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 11:14 AM

Very good Chris, your words make me pretty happy. But, but, but... I'm working almost every day with MS stuffs, but I really can't understand what the hell the MS' heads in their brain have. Working in a very small company and building hw and sw, we're going to use WinCE in the past, but it was almost silent: no support, no rumors, none was using/porting it...so we chosen Linux definitely. Within days we will see the brand-new Win CE 7...I'd expect some info about it (e.g. features, availability, etc)...nothing, nothing, nothing... My bosses are too scared about this (strange) MS behavior and prefer to keep the feet on the ground. Back to the MF...I've also noticed that there are many guys playing around and most of the success, I think, is because you. I'll try hard to give my small contribution to keep this project alive. Cheers
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