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#41 Chris Walker

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 06:20 PM

Hi ChrisArndt,

This would be a great addition to my Netduino. More play with less solder!!

Any update?

We are working through several interoperability and legal issues related to .NET Gadgeteer. We'll have more information if/when we are able to build an open source hardware implementation using .NET Gadgeteer.

Chris

#42 Dan T

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 12:17 AM

Who wants a Gadgeteer shield for their Netduino? Please raise your hand.

Yes, yes. Both hands. Both feet, for good measure. <Roadrunner delay...thump>

To make Gadgeteer affordable, we needed to make our own plastic sockets for Gadgeteer accessories. [These sockets are drop-in replacements for the normal, more expensive sockets.]

So... need to make your own sockets... 'cause the regular sockets are expensive. I see. Well... thank you. You certainly bust your butt to make the cost to me low. Keep it up.

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 04:22 PM

I'm interested when this becomes available.

#44 Christoc

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 06:19 PM

I'm in!

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#45 Moskus

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Posted 27 August 2011 - 08:46 PM

I'm a complete newbie, sign me up for a shield. :)

#46 Jarrod Sinclair

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 06:26 AM

Sign me up....

#47 Cuno

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 09:03 AM

Maybe of interest:

"Carl and Richard talk to Kerry Hammil about .NET Gadgeteer. The .NET Gadgeteer project comes out of Microsoft Research and is advancing the .NET Micro Framework with new hardware that does not require experienced electronics people to be successful with. Everything is plug-and-play! The conversation moves on to what would happen when everything in your house has an IP address and further on into the Internet of Things. Another good geekout show!"

.NET Rocks! video

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 07:04 PM

Second company to announce Gadgeteer-compatible products:

Seedstudio

Chris, any news regarding your planned Gadgeteer shield for Netduino? :)

#49 Chris Walker

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 07:42 PM

Hi Cuno,

Chris, any news regarding your planned Gadgeteer shield for Netduino? :)

No news quite yet :)

We actually did a bunch of engineering on a SAM9G45-based open-source Gadgeteer mainboard. Basically, we offered to create a $99 open-source Gadgeteer mainboard, an open-source NETMF port for SAM9G45, and a bunch of open-source Gadgeteer accessories if MSR would open-source the Gadgeteer software. They worked hard on that and were able to open source the smaller core but unfortunately they didn't have the engineering resources to write all the Gadgeteer drivers.

So they felt that they needed to launch Gadgeteer with a closed-source partner. So we had to scrap a ridiculously awesome board.

In its current state, Gadgeteer is a promising project with some interesting limitations. The biggest struggle right now is that many accessories only work with specific boards...and some boards will only work with a small set of accessories. And many Gadgeteer accessories are manufacturer-specific, use closed-source code, and/or use (non-Microsoft) patented technologies which can't be open-sourced.

So we're looking at building a shield and a subset of components (basically, digital on/off and analog input-based components) to help promote the Gadgeteer concept. We keep running the numbers and haven't figured out how to do it yet without losing money on it...but we'd love to find a way to empower folks to use Gadgeteer-style plug accessories with Netduino. You can already do it today with TinkerKit, but it would be fun to add that bit of Gadgeteer software magic to the equation.

I'm also hoping that Microsoft Research gets enough kudos from the Gadgeteer 1.0 concept that they can finish out the code for a Gadgeteer 2.0. And if not, maybe someone will derive another open source project from Gadgeteer which makes accessories compatible across boards and creates a larger, compatible ecosystem.

It's a tough nut to crack, and I'm grateful for what the Gadgeteer team has made happen so far... I'll keep you all apprised when we make any more progress on this.

Chris

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 11:05 PM


We actually did a bunch of engineering on a SAM9G45-based open-source Gadgeteer mainboard. Basically, we offered to create a $99 open-source Gadgeteer mainboard, an open-source NETMF port for SAM9G45, and a bunch of open-source Gadgeteer accessories if MSR would open-source the Gadgeteer software. They worked hard on that and were able to open source the smaller core but unfortunately they didn't have the engineering resources to write all the Gadgeteer drivers.

So they felt that they needed to launch Gadgeteer with a closed-source partner. So we had to scrap a ridiculously awesome board.


Chris


Is/was your mainboard similar to this: http://www.armkits.c...CFdU55QodtTGCMw ?

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 11:46 PM

Count me in please.

#52 Chris Walker

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:09 AM

Is/was your mainboard similar to this: http://www.armkits.c...CFdU55QodtTGCMw ?

Something like that. Except only a few square inches in size, with 10-pin connectors for shields. A dedicated Gadgeteer mainboard with a 400 MHz CPU. Anyway, that's the past; let's look to what we can build for the future :)

The thing I really like about a doing a shield instead: super-low-cost. $100+ for a Gadgeteer mainboard is a very niche market.

Anyway, we're still working out details on a shield for Gadgeteer. It may need to wait until the drivers are open sourced with Gadgeteer 2.0+...but it would be lots of fun. Parallax and Arduino have had their own Gadgeteer-like hardware for years...so doing the same for .NET MF with the object-oriented model of Gadgeteer is a cool idea.

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#53 Moskus

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 06:41 AM

They worked hard on that and were able to open source the smaller core but unfortunately they didn't have the engineering resources to write all the Gadgeteer drivers.

So they felt that they needed to launch Gadgeteer with a closed-source partner. So we had to scrap a ridiculously awesome board.

OK, this is just sad.... :(

#54 Mario Vernari

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 12:08 PM

Pete Brown has posted a long review about .Net Gadgeteer.
http://10rem.net/blo...and-hello-world
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#55 Mario Vernari

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:16 PM

Just another post by Pete Brown, along with videos and demos on Gadgeteers.
For who's interested in.
http://10rem.net/blo...-code-camp-2011
Cheers
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Posted 24 November 2011 - 01:00 PM

Any update on a Netduino Shield? Or can I use a ‘3rd party’ Shield? I'm almost done prototyping my "Marina Weather Station" and want to move my “bread-board circuits” to a more permanent solution. Also, be happy to use a Netduino prototype Shield and give feedback. Andrew

#57 Chris Walker

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Posted 24 November 2011 - 03:17 PM

Hi AndrewC,

Any update on a Netduino Shield? Or can I use a ‘3rd party’ Shield?
I'm almost done prototyping my "Marina Weather Station" and want to move my “bread-board circuits” to a more permanent solution.

We're talking with the Gadgeteer team, trying to figure out how to make something work. There are some pin count, code size, and cost limitations that we're needing to work through. I'm hoping to have news sometime soon.

Chris

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 04:34 AM

I like the shield concept. You get maximum flexibility there. It seems like the Netduino itself would need to expose more pins to make that a reality, though. I still like the idea, though, even if the shield had only a small number of Gadgeteer sockets. I also agree that those tiny 10 pin sockets are crazy expensive. They're also not particularly hobby-friendly. I got samples from the manufacturer and managed to solder the surface mount version, but the through-hole version (which is not on .1 spacing and has really thin pins) is just crazy. Pete
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