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#1 foged

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 09:29 AM

Just announced. 1gb. Might we dare to say that we would love a Netduino 3 (and let's top it with wifi :) )

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 10:19 PM

Could be a good data concentration / IoT Gateway for a group of Netduinos

 

http://www.raspberry...y-pi-2-on-sale/

 

http://dev.windows.c...berrypi2support



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Posted 02 February 2015 - 12:28 AM

I'm happy to see the news as well. But I have to see an org chart before I even think of committing to a Software choice.  As much as I am a fan of windows development and .Net, I will start with linux for sure.

 

I've also just announced product, aimed at the Pi B++, the timing could not be better.

http://www.spiked3.com/?p=3651



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Posted 02 February 2015 - 04:28 AM

This is amazing. The sad truth is it COULD stop me using netduino.



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Posted 02 February 2015 - 06:50 AM

I wouldn't open my Champagne bottle....yet.

R-Pi is much a muscle-toy than a reliable board: consider it has no flash on board. The Netduino has its own limits, but it's way more reliable than R-Pi. Whenever someone will talk about BeagleBone, that would be another story.

Anyone reminds the "revolutionary" Galileo and Edison? Anyone could point a decent support for them?

 

Honestly, I still haven't see anything "revolutionary" in the MS world. Maybe the most awaited thing they SHOULD publish is the ability to natively compile the C# code, and (for the MF world) the ability to create native drivers without recompile the whole framework.

 

In my drawer there are a BeagleBone and an Intel Edison still waiting, but on my breadboard there's a Netduino working.


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Posted 02 February 2015 - 07:22 AM

RPi is a proven device, also available in an embedded format (compute board).  They probably sold more today in 11 seconds than all others combined forever. It's barely second all time to Arduino, which IS a prototype platform like the Netduino.   If the hype to open source .Net to linux et al ever happens, it's just 1 more thing on a successful product regardless, but certainly not a dependency.



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Posted 02 February 2015 - 12:40 PM

Just announced. 1gb. Might we dare to say that we would love a Netduino 3 (and let's top it with wifi :) )

 

When you can get a PI for $35.00 why would you spend $60.00 on a Netduino 3. Especially since Windows 10 is going to run on Pi 2.

 

https://dev.windows....Program-for-IoT



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Posted 02 February 2015 - 12:52 PM

I wouldn't open my Champagne bottle....yet.

R-Pi is much a muscle-toy than a reliable board: consider it has no flash on board. The Netduino has its own limits, but it's way more reliable than R-Pi. Whenever someone will talk about BeagleBone, that would be another story.

Anyone reminds the "revolutionary" Galileo and Edison? Anyone could point a decent support for them?

 

Honestly, I still haven't see anything "revolutionary" in the MS world. Maybe the most awaited thing they SHOULD publish is the ability to natively compile the C# code, and (for the MF world) the ability to create native drivers without recompile the whole framework.

 

In my drawer there are a BeagleBone and an Intel Edison still waiting, but on my breadboard there's a Netduino working.

 

While the PI doesn't have flash it has Micro SD card slot just like a Netduino.  There are Flash Modules available.  It also supports USB thumb drives.  Something that the community has asked for on the Netduino for several years and it will never happen.

 

I've had much more luck and reliability with PI than Netduino and y'all know I was a big Netduino supporter and developed a LOT of code for it.

 

With the PI 2 comes Windows 10 for internet of things development.  Win 10 will be free for Makers via the Windows Developer Program for IoT.

 

But even today with PI 1B I can run Raspbian Linux, with the Mono framework, raspberry-sharp (A .NET/Mono IO Library for Raspberry Pi)
and with little code change was able to move one of my largest Netduino Apps over to the PI and it runs much more reliably.



#9 Mario Vernari

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 01:11 PM

RPi is a proven device, also available in an embedded format (compute board).  They probably sold more today in 11 seconds than all others combined forever. It's barely second all time to Arduino, which IS a prototype platform like the Netduino.   If the hype to open source .Net to linux et al ever happens, it's just 1 more thing on a successful product regardless, but certainly not a dependency.

 

They sold thousands of boards for true, but the quantity does not make the hardware more reliable over another one.

Again, the board ships with *no* flash, so you must connect a SD. Would you rely on a SD connector durability (dust, oxidation, etc) along 1+ years in a normal city climate?

Have a look at some comparisons between the PI1 and the BBB:

http://makezine.com/...aglebone-black/

 

I can flash an app to a Netduino/Arduino and forget it for years (possibly avoiding the pins connection as well).

 

 

When you can get a PI for $35.00 why would you spend $60.00 on a Netduino 3. Especially since Windows 10 is going to run on Pi 2.

 

https://dev.windows....Program-for-IoT

 

Again, I'd wait for "singing in the rain" until some concrete signals are coming...

I've heard the Galileo and the Edison support, but nothing concrete. There's also a Compact porting for the BBB, but without much support.

 

By the way, the current Netduino and a "bigger bro" will have several differences, that you can't wipe off with a bunch of bucks less.

Here are some:

  • power consumption
  • power-up time
  • hardware support (I mean *how* to write your own driver, *how* to port your own board, etc)
  • NVRAM support
  • software stability (I mean porting support)
  • actual processing speed (the MF is way lighter and OS-less than a regular Windows)
  • licensing price?...this is unclear.

Somebody says it's free, but WEC 2013 is also "free" unless you use for commercial applications (i.e. not hobby/prototyping)...

 

I want to see some real-life app, both headless and UI, then I'll decide whether that's a good news or not.


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#10 Mario Vernari

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 01:22 PM

...just forget...

MF does have sense...if MS will *SERIOUSLY* develop it...otherwise I totally agree that PI or whatever else board will replace it.


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Posted 02 February 2015 - 03:43 PM

While the PI doesn't have flash it has Micro SD card slot just like a Netduino.  There are Flash Modules available.  It also supports USB thumb drives.  Something that the community has asked for on the Netduino for several years and it will never happen.

 

I've had much more luck and reliability with PI than Netduino and y'all know I was a big Netduino supporter and developed a LOT of code for it.

 

With the PI 2 comes Windows 10 for internet of things development.  Win 10 will be free for Makers via the Windows Developer Program for IoT.

 

But even today with PI 1B I can run Raspbian Linux, with the Mono framework, raspberry-sharp (A .NET/Mono IO Library for Raspberry Pi)
and with little code change was able to move one of my largest Netduino Apps over to the PI and it runs much more reliably.

 

How many hardware PWM pins does RPi has ? let me count, 1. and with no proper control. Thats the whole reason I gave up on RPi. Netduino 2 is much better than RPi 2 can be when controlling hardware. RPi is just good for displays and running OS.



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Posted 02 February 2015 - 04:27 PM

How many hardware PWM pins does RPi has ? let me count, 1. and with no proper control. Thats the whole reason I gave up on RPi. Netduino 2 is much better than RPi 2 can be when controlling hardware. RPi is just good for displays and running OS.

 

Depends what you need PWM pins for.  I don't drive steppers directly from a Netduino, I use a motor controller which gives you far more flexibility and control.  RPi has motor controllers and stepper controllers available.  I don't drive LEDs from the Netduino PWM pins because it's pretty rare that I am using only 1 or 2 LEDs.  So I usually have some kind of LED driver any way.  All of which is also available on the RPi.

 

I have a RPi with the same Magnetometer, 9DOF, Temp/Humidity, Barometer, etc running that I had running on a Netduino2+ and I can do so much more like actually show a graph of the sensor.  Can't do that on the ND.  Not enough storage space to even store such a program.  The ND has it place just like the Arduino has it's place.  Depends on your project.



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Posted 02 February 2015 - 04:29 PM

The ND has it place just like the Arduino has it's place.  Depends on your project.

 

Exactly :)



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Posted 13 February 2015 - 12:59 AM

The netduino is more like an arduino. To compare it to pi is silly to begin with, other than price. The former is a prototype platform, the latter is an end user computer.

 

I see the PI 2 has sold out for the second time in a matter of minutes. It must have something good about it; if nothing else a good reputation. Reputation is important in making business decisions, not so important for playing.



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Posted 13 February 2015 - 05:19 AM

The netduino is more like an arduino. To compare it to pi is silly to begin with, other than price. The former is a prototype platform, the latter is an end user computer.

 

I see the PI 2 has sold out for the second time in a matter of minutes. It must have something good about it; if nothing else a good reputation. Reputation is important in making business decisions, not so important for playing.

 

It surely Reputation, there are other much better alternatives that RPi 2 still cant beat.



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 06:54 AM

And what I found amusing regarding the Microsoft page that DVW reminded me about is that it wanted me to register all over again regarding the whole business of the boards named after an astronomer and a board born out of the Maker movement and extreme strangeness.

 

When I lasted visited Micro Center Brooklyn which was Wednesday I saw several examples of the RasPi B2 (Raspberry B+) in stock in the form of starter kits, and an equal number of regular B kits, and a few A ones. I saw too many of the other board that contains the duino in the name.

 

I also saw several Parallax wonders waiting for inspiration to strike someone.

 

I strongly suggest that we tread softly over this issue folks less it become troublesome. 



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#17 david98xp

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Posted 08 March 2015 - 03:53 AM

If we have a N+3, I'd like to see built in HDMI with a driver chip for fast performance while keeping the code as native as possible.



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Posted 08 March 2015 - 12:18 PM

What strikes me so odd, is that we all thrive to build IOT DEVICES, whilst most vendors (RP, Netduino, GS, Intel etc.) do not add the INTERNET component as simple as possible. In IOT the bridge to to I is through the wifi - not through a cable.

 

I know we are in the early days, but spending hours and $$ on Building basic drivers does not drive value for my customers. They need a device that quickly deploy, seamless integrate with their existing infrastructure and cobe without any concern.

 

I love the N+ series. Yes there are gaps. But missing WIFI across the vendor stack is a big surprise!



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Posted 08 March 2015 - 02:02 PM

What strikes me so odd, is that we all thrive to build IOT DEVICES, whilst most vendors (RP, Netduino, GS, Intel etc.) do not add the INTERNET component as simple as possible. In IOT the bridge to to I is through the wifi - not through a cable.

 

I know we are in the early days, but spending hours and $$ on Building basic drivers does not drive value for my customers. They need a device that quickly deploy, seamless integrate with their existing infrastructure and cobe without any concern.

 

I love the N+ series. Yes there are gaps. But missing WIFI across the vendor stack is a big surprise!

 

How about one of these ;)

 

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 07:45 PM

Juzzer, what boards are those?  The Carbon and Helium?






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